The Jewish Messiah Part I

Preface, continuing from my facebook conversation on Christianity. MB continues with

this statement

 The Jewish version of Messiah is very simple and is not something very mystic like 

what the Christian proclaimed.

• MB The Jewish messiah must be from the line of King David, is in the Tanach. 

   He is a human being like you and me, in literal form, will old and eventually die. 

  This is the messiah that originally supposed to be. Up until today – 

  the genealogy of King David is still recorded down.
  
  The Christians New Testament tried to link Jesus to King David. On one book, it 

  says he is from "David". On the other book in the NT, it says he is not from David?? 

  Whatever, Christians claimed that Jesus born from a virgin and is pregnant by a 

  holy spirit, not a human. All these disqualified to be the messiah anyway – no 

  matter how they wrote the genealogy of Jesus in the NT.
  
  The Christians are the anti-messiah (or anti christ, in their version/language) 

  because \they don’t recognize a man to be the messiah. The Christianity version 

  of messiah is very far from the Torah – Tanach which suppose to be.
  
  They have their mystical version. The Christianity messiah is jesus and he will 

  come back the 2nd time - can somehow fly down from sky, one leg touch the 

  ground, and then elevate up hanging half way in the sky.
  
  Any human that is not jesus (etc: a person line from King David) they will 

   regard as a false messiah and they (christian) will “help” the Jews remove 

  him. The Jews wanting to keep him, and they (christian) want to remove him. 

  Who is the anti – messiah? Is very clear.

  
  
• MB Christianity is placing a very dangerous bid to G-d when comes to 

  messianic age. Their believe is – “The Jews never repent, they don’t recognize 

  jesus as messiah, with that, Israel is in doom and problems with neighbors.

  If they accept jesus, wooo waaaaooo…..the world will be in peace.”
  
  From time to time, G-d is testing people to see if you believe him or believe a 

  human being. There are many many messiahs in the Tanach. Some are good and 

  some are really bad. There are good messiahs and there are bad messiahs.
  
  See:
  
  Deu 13:1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and 

  announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,
  
  Deu 13:2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, 

  "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them,"
  
  Deu 13:3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD 

  your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and 

  with all your soul.
  
  Deu 13:4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. 

  Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.
  
  Deu 13:5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached 

   rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and 

  redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way 

  the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from 

  among you.

  
  
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  Don Tan M, To which i say, what is the benchmark, of who the Messiah is ?
  
  'The Jewish messiah must be from the line of King David, is in the Tanach. He

   is a human being like you and me, in literal form, will old and eventually die. 

  This is the messiah that originally supposed to be. Up until today – 
  the genealogy of King David is still recorded down'
  
  Yeshua's pedigree, I agree, is disputed. No need to argue back and forth
  about that topic. It's been, being, and continues to be debated.
  
  Secondly, the nature of the Messiah. I said, is he a mere man ? If he is the
  'Suffering Messiah' in Isaiah 53
  
  The Messiac will be the literal arm of Adonai
  Adonai יְהוָ֖ה ū·zə·rō·w·a‘ וּזְר֥וֹעַ ~ Isaiah 53
  
  Deu 13 i presume, refers to false prophets. Does HaShem allow false prophets, 

  to raise the dead ? How about feed 5 thousand ? How about knowing personal 

  history about peoples lives ? What would you consider as an except-able 

  benchmark ?
  
  Interestingly, in my discussions with Muslims on the 'Prophet' The
  Jews in Yathrib did the absolute opposite. They ask for proof i.e.
  signs or wonders, to which, he replied that he was only a plain warner
  surah 29:50
  
  Assume, i 've got it all wrong and all your assumptions are correct. Rabbi
  David Kimhi who wrote the Hebrew Gammatria is a believer in Micah's
  prophecy
  
  מיכה / Micah 5:2: But you, Beit-Lechem Efratah
  
  (Bethlehem Ephratah), Being small among the clans of
  
  Yehudah (Judah), Out of you one will come forth to me
  
  that is to be ruler in Yisra'el (Israel); Whose goings
  
  forth are from of old, from everlasting.
  
  I was in Bethlehem Ephratah. Soon to be a Palestinian only population,
  as Christian populations dwindle. If a Palestinian Messiah arises that can
  prove his pedigree, will you accept it ? You said Christianity is placing a
  dangerous bid on G-d. Are you sure, it's not, the other way around. Israel 

  is surrounded by 1.5 billion of this other proclaimed Abrahamic faith who
  actually wants to drive the Jews into the sea. Future events will happen
  as HaShem wills it, whether, we like it or not

Remembering the Shabbat Part V

• MB Christianity is placing a very dangerous bid to G-d when comes to messianic age. Their believe is – “The Jews never repent, they don’t recognize jesus as messiah, with that, Israel is in doom and problems with neighbors. If they accept jesus, wooo waaaaooo…..the world will be in peace.”
  
  From time to time, G-d is testing people to see if you believe him or believe a human being. There are many many messiahs in the Tanach. Some are good and some are really bad. There are good messiahs and there are bad messiahs.
  
  See:
  
  Deu 13:1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,
  
  Deu 13:2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them,"
  
  Deu 13:3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
  
  Deu 13:4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.
  
  Deu 13:5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

  
  
• MDE Don he didn't have the right pedigree! That's a fact!
  The Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon
  
  The Messiah must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10) and a direct descendant of King David & King Solomon (2 Samuel 7:12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:9-10). Genealogy in the Bible is only passed down from father to son (Numbers 1:1-18).
  There is no evidence that Jesus really had this pedigree, and the Christian Bible actually claims that he did not have a "birth-father" from the tribe of Judah descending from King David and King Solomon (Matt. 1:18-20).

  
  
• MDE  Don what truth? The truth of Torah that's is never changing and eternal or the nt that has 194 huge errors in it and contradicts the Torah?

  
  
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  Don Tan Next Thread ..... Jewish Messiah....

Remembering the Shabbat Part IV

• MB Don, Rabbinical tradition never changed the 7th day shabbat (suppose friday sundown to saturday sundown) to sunday. It is the Rome who hijacked the Jewish calendar (lunar calendar) and changed it to their own - which is the Roman calendar we used today, Monday - sunday (modern day calendar).
  
  In the mind of Christianity, this is yet another automated (aware/unaware/lake of knowledge) demonization of the Jewish Shabbat. They (Christianity) like to point out that - "see, the Jews worship on Saturday, the 6th day - which is one day short toward the 7th completed creation day, they are like demon - worship on the 6th day."
  
  In truth, it is the opposite. No one worship G-d on the 1st day of the week - sunday. Only Christians.
  
  In the Roman calendar, each day contain certain pagan meaning. Have you ever know how this word sun-day originated from? It originated from the pagan worshipped of the Rome toward the sun on that day, and they (Rome) regarded this day to be the day of the sun, and therefore sunday is given.
  
  When Christians worshipping on sunday and claiming this is the biblical Shabbat - this is wrong.
  
  "Did HaShem say that' Friday night to Saturday evening', or was that a Rabbinical tradition ? "
  
  When we mentioned "Friday night to Saturday evening'" - we are based on lunar calendar (Jewish calendar, like the Chinese lunar calendar - a little different), and it falls on Friday and Saturday in the modern day calendar which is also the root of Rome calendar. 

   

  MB When I mentioned Daniel 7:25 (verse below)
  
  "He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time."
  
  Who do you think Daniel prophesies this to? Is the holy people christian and/or muslim? Or buddhist or tao? Is the large groups (etc: christian, muslim, buddhist or either one of the combination) be delivered into his hands (to a small group of Jew ) for a time, and time and half a time? Of course not.
  
  The holy people is the Jews. Who try to change the set times (etc: shabbat, lunar calender)? The Rome. Who try to change the laws? The Rome in the name of Jesus (they are very dangereous), Jesus encourage them not to keep law but to believe/idolatrize in him because he is a man god. With that, you will be saved – imaginary (or “imaginery”).
  
  “The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time." – who delivered into his hand? The Jews. “for a time, times and half a time” – since/before/after jesus (Rome (Christians again) destroyed the temple) until today nazi (a christian) holocaust – this is called “for a time, times and half a time”.
  
  Did the Christian/Muslim/Buddhist/Tao went through these? Not really. Did the Jews changed the Christian/Muslim/Buddhist/Tao calendars and force them (Christian/Muslim/Buddhist/Tao) to follow/evangelize what the Jewish lunar calendar is? No and never, and will never be. 

   

   

   

  MB The Jewish version of Messiah is very simple and is not something very mystic like what the Christian proclaimed. The Jewish messiah must be from the line of King David, is in the Tanach. He is a human being like you and me, in literal form, will old and eventually die. This is the messiah that originally supposed to be. Up until today – the genealogy of King David is still recorded down.
  
  The Christians New Testament tried to link Jesus to King David. On one book, it says he is from "David". On the other book in the NT, it says he is not from David?? Whatever, Christians claimed that Jesus born from a virgin and is pregnant by a holy spirit, not a human. All these disqualified to be the messiah anyway – no matter how they wrote the genealogy of Jesus in the NT.
  
  The Christians are the anti-messiah (or anti christ, in their version/language) because they don’t recognize a man to be the messiah. The Christianity version of messiah is very far from the Torah – Tanach which suppose to be.
  
  They have their mystical version. The Christianity messiah is jesus and he will come back the 2nd time - can somehow fly down from sky, one leg touch the ground, and then elevate up hanging half way in the sky.
  
  Any human that is not jesus (etc: a person line from King David) they will regard as a false messiah and they (christian) will “help” the Jews remove him. The Jews wanting to keep him, and they (christian) want to remove him. Who is the anti – messiah? Is very clear.

Remembering the Shabbat Part III

• MDE Don do you know the first 2 commandments? How about the commandment to keep the Sabbath? Keep it Holy? Sunday is NOT the sabbath. So have you ever asked is it okay to change what the Great I Am commands?

  
  
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  Don Tan M, We can read the Tanakh in two ways, literally or metaphorically. I take it you meant that the Shabbat has to be the Saturday i.e. on the first day. That day began on Saturday. So Hashem meant that, not rest on a 'seventh day'.
  
  Ok, i presume, i am wrong. Here's my literal take on who Hashem is.
  
  Hashem is Yahweh
  Hashem has a Spirit, the Ruah Hakodesh
  Hashem sends/ or will send a Messiac.
  
  The Messiac will be the literal arm of Adonai
  Adonai יְהוָ֖ה ū·zə·rō·w·a‘ וּזְר֥וֹעַ ~ Isaiah 53
  
  What is the character of the Messiac, is he a mere man, or a reflection of
  Adonai.....

  
  
• MDE Don I don't read the Torah as a fairy tale. It's very easy to understand. I'm not sure where you are getting that Saturday is the 1st day of the week? The fact that Shabbat is from sundown Friday night till sundown Saturday night means you observe it. You keep it Holy. Set apart. You don't work. Don't buy or sell and definitely don't change the day to suit your wim. The. Jewish messiah will just be a man. Not a god. He will have a human daddy that is a direct descendant of King David and Solomon. That means his daddy will be a man...human sperm donor that makes him from the tribe of Judah. Xianity tries to sell the genealogy of their dude but forgot that if he didn't have a human daddy from the tribe of Judah it instantly disqualifies him!
  This post is about the sabbath. The fact that Xianity literally throws out all of the commandments makes it very clear that it's idiology is pagan to the core!

  
  
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  Don Tan M, Read genesis again. Hashem said six days of work, one day of rest. He called the day of rest Shabbat. That's the literal explanation. So does the literal fourth commandment mean 'sundown Friday night till sundown Saturday night' Did Hashem say that ? Where ? What is then meant by the 'Arm of the Lord' ? Isaiah 53......

  
  
• MDE So you believe Monday is the first day of the week?

  
  
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  Don Tan No, not really. I just don't think Hashem is that Legalistic. I was at Shabbat a while ago at Beth Israel Synagogue in Edmonton. In rememberance of my Uncle Manashe.

  
  
• MDE Don try reading a Hebrew Torah. Your bible is not true. It is a very bad purposefully mistranslation. So I just pointed out a basic qualification for the Jewish messiah must be from the tribe of Judah. You guy wasn't from the tribe of Judah. Wasn't from any tribe. He wasn't the Jewish messiah. By the way...Isaiah has nothing to do with the Jewish messiah. Try reading the entire book of Isaiah and in context.

  
  
• MDE It's not about legalism. It's a book of life. You just don't get to tell the Great I Am what you want and that what He gave is wrong. These are commandments not suggestions.

  
  
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  Don Tan M, I appreciate your candid thoughts and reasons. It just seems to me that even-though you called it a Book of Life. It's being treated like the Book of Law when it comes to the Shabbat. Shalom...

  
  
• MDE Don but how is a problem if the Creator said it was Friday night to Saturday night and not Sunday. Doesn't that make it you putting your own ideas ahead of HaShem??

  
  
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  Don Tan Did HaShem say that' Friday night to Saturday evening', or was that a Rabbinical tradition ? The Creator called it a day of rest the Shabbat שבת
  We are not talking about the Talmud here, but the Tanakh, right ? How am i putting my ideas ahead of HaShem. I don't have a problem if that was the baseline i.e. Rabbi's agreed that was the day chosen as to honour the Shabbat. Tradition suddenly became, HaShem said it ? Yeshua was very direct to the Pharisees
  
  39“You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! 40Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life. ~ John 5
  
  A lot has been debated about his pedigree. Evidence provided from both sides of the fence. Noted Rabbi Tovia Singer may not believe that Isaiah 53 talks about the suffering Messiac, but he wasn't the first one. Yeshua
  himself went, one on one, with the Rabbinical Authority i.e. Nicodemus
  
  10Jesus replied, “You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don’t understand these things? 11I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won’t believe our testimony. 12But if you don’t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.f ~ John 3
  
  I'd like to reveal some more revelation, lest i be accused of sorcery... but say go on your knees and ask HaShem himself to reveal his truth to you
  
  Shalom