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Wednesday, 29 October 2014

The Scandal of Christianity, Myth or Truth ? Part VII

 Continuing with the conversation
  • JR Don, read Zechariah 8:23. Gentiles will come to Jews and realize that G-d is with the Jewish people...Not the other way around! And Jeremiah 16:19 says that you will recognize that you have inherited lies from your fathers!

    Ultimately, this will lead
    to your understanding that you were wrong about worshipping your jesus.

    And the "Branch" you speak of in Zechariah 6:12...This is what it says:

    Zechariah 6:12. And you shall speak to him, saying, "So said the Lord of Hosts, saying: Behold a man whose name is **the Branch,** who will spring up out of his place and **BUILD THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD.**

    Did your jesus build the Temple? No! Thus jesus is not the Branch!
     

  • Don Tan Not according to Rabbi Moses Maimonides per Isaiah 53 .....


  • JR Don, you claim that Maimonadies believes that jesus is the Branch?!

    Are you delusional? That's pretty outrageous that you would even entertain such a notion.

    Surely you don't mean that...
     

    JR You're assuming that I don't find Isaiah 53 to be about the Messiah. I actually do. However, the Messiah is a part of Israel. Ultimately, Isaiah 53 is about Israel, but the Messiah is a PART of Israel, making Isaiah 53 about the Messiah!

    The mistake christianity makes is it assumes that Isaiah 53 is ONLY about the Messiah...That couldn't be further from the truth concerning the identity of the suffering servant...


  • Don Tan Whether it is highly improbable or impossible. Maimonides believed that Isaiah 53 is describing the Messiah. I'm not delusional and i'm not asking you to believe me. Certainly, i have, good reason to believe in, what i believe in.. Look, Zech 6:12 is talking about future events, right ? Its hypothetical right now. The 'fat lady hasn't sung yet'.... It's still the Dome of the Rock (Al Aqsa)...

     
     
  • JR Maimonides did not believe Isaiah 53 described jesus. That's a fact. Just because a Rabbi claims that Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah does not mean that it isn't about Israel as well. The Messiah is a PART of Israel, so there is nothing conflicting about making such a claim.

    However, it is foolish to assume that jesus fulfilled Isaiah 53 because he did not. I am glad to see you conceding that jesus did not fulfill Zechariah 6:12. If you believe this to be a Messianic prophesy, why is jesus the only candidate for the job?

    jesus failed to fulfill the Messianic prophesies, including Isaiah 53. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this conversation...

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