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Sunday, 2 March 2014

A Message from Syed M (Part II)

Syed also made mention a term that appears to be his benchmark 'authentic word'.
I had to think about what he was trying to say. How is the Quran the authentic word
and the Bible not an authentic word. Is it because there is no Hebrew or Aramaic
New Testament? Why has the benchmark then changed 600 years later with the
appearance of the 'prophet' of Islam. Suddenly, God speaks Arabic? In the period
between them, there was no evidence that any Islamic symbols, or reference to any
other Holy Place(Kaabah), other than Jerusalem.

Infact, the prophet of Islam himself was challenged by Jews and Nasranis(Christians).

 [29:50]   They said, "If only miracles could come down to him from his Lord!
" Say, All miracles come only from GOD; I am no more than a manifest warner."

He could not provide supernatural proof of claims to his authenticity. He only
mentions that, the Quran, is sufficient. In other words his words alone are the
authority. Contrast that to what Jesus said to the Pharasee's, and i would encourage
Syed to investigate further rather than to accept one testimony.


39 But Jesus replied, “Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a  miraculous sign; but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet  Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and  three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three 
 days and three nights. 




~ Matthew 12: 39-40 ( Read my Blog entry on Yo N' ah)


What it boils down to is the Quran really was a autobiography of the 'prophet'
 scribed by his followers from the quraisyh dialect to modern arabic. The New
Testament was a biography scribed by followers of Yeshua the Messiah
(Jesus Christ) transcribed verbally from aramaic into the translated greek text.
No one knows exactly all the details, that was not transmitted in the translation.
Similarly, no one knows what was not transmitted, translating one arabic dialect
to the modern uthmani arabic compilation. I accept that the core messages are
indeed written. If Syed wants to call the Bible a distortion, then he would be
influenced by anti-christian bias. I've read the Quran with an open mind.


'There aren't many differences between a biography and an autobiography because
they are both telling the story of of someone's life, their accomplishments, and 
what they have contributed to society. While a biography tells the facts of someone's
 life, an autobiography is a self published account of one's own life story. If your 
child were to write a book about your life, it would be considered a biography. If 
you were to write a book about your life, it would be an autobiography. The major 
 difference between them is who is telling the story. '

~ (http://www.ask.com/question/biography-vs-autobiography)



Truth is not determined by who said it, rather is what, am i, or are they, telling 
the Truth.



Syed also quoted a Surah 3:45

 [3:45]   The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news: a Word from 
Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent 
in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.'


Again, the term Messiah (Al- Masihi) which means 'chosen one' or 'deliverer'. Has
different connotations to Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Jews believed that he would
deliver Israel from bondage. Christians believe he is the Begotten Son of God. Is he
just a man ?

It says in the Tanakh (Old Testament). It says that the Messiah will be eternal i.e. 
existed before time (ancient days).

מִיכָה

א   וְאַתָּה בֵּית-לֶחֶם אֶפְרָתָה, צָעִיר לִהְיוֹת בְּאַלְפֵי יְהוּדָה--מִמְּךָ לִי יֵצֵא, לִהְיוֹת מוֹשֵׁל בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל; 
וּמוֹצָאֹתָיו מִקֶּדֶם, מִימֵי עוֹלָם.

1 But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah,
out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel;  
whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days.  ~ Micah 5

Thursday, 27 February 2014

A Message from Syed M (Part I)

    Syed is a blogger that i made the acquaintance with on Raja Petra Kamaruddin's 
    Blog Malaysia Today. He messaged me after some apologetics that i was involved
    in discussion on Raja's Blog. I had hoped, we could continue the conversation here.
    My apologies for the slow response. I did not notice his message earlier. Syed has
    mentioned that he wants to continue his responses off the Blog. Therefore, i will

    only reply to his initial message to me in these posts

        

       D Tan
       Sorry did not notice your message. Let's have a friendly conversation. I will post
       what you said on my blogspot http://waytruthnlife.blogspot.ca/ in a day or so with
       a reply. I'd like others to see what we have to say. You can keep messaging me or
       reply on the Blog.
       Awesome !!! ....


  • 1/18, 12:18am
    Syed M


    hi don tan, christian don't have original hebrew gospel to begin with... if you
    study arabic qur'an,even if you are an atheist, you will end up in position to
    say its crucial to have the authentic word as evidence to begin with.. if not,
    there will always be new version of bible, which is not the same as past 

    bible, let alone the original gospel.. if i ask christian which is the word 
    of god that jesus knew about? christian have a lot of branches that follow 
    different book such as catholic, catholic bible is less number of pages and 
    different in translation, without authentic word give different meaning, 
    during those era, the word do not have depth like we have today to take 
    into consideration... this is why in Islam we say arabic word of qur'an is
    the word of god, translation is only to make us understand..because in 
    translation it can be done next week, or last week, so i can no longer say 
    this qur'an translation is 1400 years old book but only last week, 
    translation is not word of god but word of translator choice of word. 
    example in arabic which is ayyam, it mean days but what is the authentic 
    understanding of people in those era may not be the same, because they 
    don't have such word as minute,hour, so the more accurate is to say period 
    of time.. other example is Christ, today if i ask christian, they will say 
    resurrection of jesus and try to convert you..but the authentic meaning is
    anointed which mean chosen as successor... nothing to do with resurrection
    and muslim in 3:45 are made to belief that jesus is Christ in qur'an, arabic
    word Masihi, hebrew messiah.



    Syed, you certainly raised some important issues. I think understand what
    you are saying. If i am not mistaken. Arabic is very much like Malay of 
    which i am semi fluent. Arabic sentences are full of metaphors. A word 
    can mean many things depending on context and structure. Also, 
    historically the context may have change. A word like ayyam may have 
    meant something similar like 'time period' as apposed to 'days'.  Similarly, 
    Hebrew which i am rediscovering the Old Testament. What you really
     mean to say is that the Bible is really 'Lost in Translation'. We've never 
    had an Aramaic Bible (New Testament). Therefore who really knows what 
    the details are. As per your statement on Original Hebrew (Old Testament). 
    What do you mean ? Ancient Hebrew (950 B.C.E) basic forms or the even 
    the older Proto Canaanite (1500 B.C.E) pictograms ? I suggest you look at
     the Isaiah Scroll (~ 335BC) at the Israel Museum found in qumran 1947. 
    It looks very authentic to me.

                                              Great Isaiah Scroll (Ancient Hebrew devoid of vowels)

     I believe there are a lot of muslim apologists that want to descredit the Old 
    Testament. Take my advise, as far as, the Old Testament is concerned. 
    Islamic manuscripts have yet to undergo the same verification and scrutiny
    the Old Testament has gone through. You may want to look through my 
    blog entries.

    (to be continued)


Wednesday, 19 February 2014

Yo' N' ah (Za-Noon) the one with an `N' in his name

Just before the Destruction of Israel in 722 B.C the prophet Hosea made a profound
statement about the Israelites

 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.

“Because you have rejected knowledge,
    I also reject you as my priests;
because you have ignored the law of your God,
    I also will ignore your children.

 ~ Hosea 4:6

Interestingly, he does not say, because of sin, disobedience, or lack of repentance. 
Why was the emphasis primarily on the 'lack of knowledge'. The rejection of 
knowledge and ignorance of the law. Led astray by priests who had deserted the 
LORD to worship other gods (foreign religions).  


It was the Pharisees who tried to corner Yeshua. When they pressed him for a Sign.
This was his reply.
  
39 But Jesus replied, “Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a 
miraculous sign; but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet 
Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and 
three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three 
 days and three nights. 

~ Matthew 12: 39-40
 
Why Yo' N' ah (Za-Noon) the prophet Jonah ?  Jonah which means Dove.
Symbolically refering to Peace, Love, or Messenger. Islamists, and Secularists doubt
the validity of the Resurrected Christ, as did, the Pharisees. Perhaps, Yeshua pointed
out something else that was overlooked. The Idea of a Resurrection. Did Yahweh
perform one, once before ?

ג   וַיֹּאמֶר       , קָרָאתִי             מִצָּרָה    לִי                     אֶל-יְהוָה
el- yhwh(Elohim)      li   mi-sa-rah      qa-ra-ti,     va-yo-mer
  --וַיַּעֲנֵנִי         ; מִבֶּטֶן      שְׁאוֹל      שִׁוַּעְתִּי ,        שָׁמַעְתָּ   קוֹלִי. 2
        qo-li   sa-ma-ta  , si-va-ti    se-ol    mi-be-ten;  va-ya-ne-ni

 ~ יוֹנָה

                                                                        Yo-N-ah

And he said,  I cried,  by reason of my affliction,  unto,  Elohim, 
and He heard, from the depth;  Underworld, you cried, heard, my voice

~ Yonah 2:2