I would like to highlight a posting (Regime Change) on Dr. Mahathir's
website chedet made by Amin Tan per my ignorance on Islam, and
Amin's reply. I am perplexed by his answer. The reason is, his answer
does not reflect what the actual reality is, per attached picture. Therein
lies the conundrum. The answers, i get from different Muslims are
Non-Sequitor.
Dear Tun,
Please allow me to quote Mr dtan as below,
[tan
September 30, 2013 at 11:24 PM | Permalink
Tun,
Per Amin Tan and Sentinel3
I’ve been to a Synagogue. I’ve heard Rabbi’s preach not by
special invitation.
Why can’t a normal person visit a Mosque on a normal day, to
listen to a normal sermon. Why does it have to be a special
invitation? None of my Muslim friends have ever given me an
open invitation to a Mosque. I’ve seen advertising’s on special
invitations to non-muslims, only for special occasions. What do
they talk about during the other times. Whereas, i’ve given my
friends (Muslims, Buddhists, etc) an open invitation to come
anytime they please during regularly scheduled Church services.
It is similar with the local Synagogues in the city i live in.
I’ve read the Quran including several commentaries by Karen
Armstrong and Ali Akhbar pro-islamic writers. I’ve conversed with
a Sunni (Lebanese Engineer) in depth to compare and contrast the
Bible and Quran. Also, close conversations with a Shiite
(Design Engineer). Hung around Malay friends asked questions on
Islam in Malaysia. I don’t claim to be an Expert on Islam but i
certainly can claim i’ve been around Muslims most of my life and
know how they behave and what they believe. What is your
experience on Christianity? The reason why i like Muslim Apologist
Shabir Ali is because he understands Christianity on a personal
level i.e. has read the Bible, commentaries on both sides of the
fence and has openly debated Christian Apologists from a wide
spectrum.
I don’t make the blanket statement that Christianity is a Religion
of Peace but certainly Yeshua (Jesus) never murdered, killed or
ordered, implied, suggested the killing of non-believers in
self-defence or whatever (~ Love your Enemy. Matthew 5:44). It is
Islam that is making the blanket statement that it is a
Religion of Peace.
Shalom in Yeshua’s name
Dear Mr. dtan,
Now you sound a bit conciliatory and not so as arrogant as in the earlier
comment.
1. Invitation to a mosque. Anybody can go into a mosque as long as you
observe certain dress code and etiquette. There are tourists and visitors
almost daily visiting Masjid Negara and Masjid Putrajaya.
2. For a muslim masjid is a holy place for prayer, normally the 5 times daily
solat. When a muslim enters a masjid for prayer, he must cover his aurat and
have ablution or wuduk meaning wash himself properly. Before he sits down
it is conventional that he performs tahyatul masjid 2 rakaat. Muslims don’t sit
on a chair, unless medically need to, to pray. Everybody sits on the floor row
after row. Masjid is not a place to chit chat or talking out loud as to disturb
others’ concentration in prayer. During Friday sermon(kutbah), the imam must
follow set procedure and has to stick to verses from the Quran. Of course, some
imams stray into politically sensitive domain of Hudud. On the whole Friday
sermon is a session to urge Muslims to do good and be charitable and do not do
evils(amal maarof nahi mungkar) with the rewards and retribution in the hereafter.
3. salam, islam means peace in arabic. If there is a civil war in Syria which happens
to be a Muslim majority country, it is a distortion or manipulation of the worst kind
to say islam promote killing and murders among their own kind.
4. All these while, you have wrong impression and perception of islam and the Malays.
45 years ago, in 1969, after my HSC, I went to a state government scholarship interview
with a Malay classmate in Kota Bharu Kelantan which was under PAS government. I
was given rm500 bursary and the Malay classmate did not get anything although we
both got about similar results and admitted into University Malaya, the only university
in the country then, because his family was wealthier than mine, even though I was a
non Muslim Chinese then. Tak kenal maka tak cinta. Wallahu alam.
amin tan
There are, Closed Sessions, for Muslim Believers at the National Mosque in Kuala Lumpur
website chedet made by Amin Tan per my ignorance on Islam, and
Amin's reply. I am perplexed by his answer. The reason is, his answer
does not reflect what the actual reality is, per attached picture. Therein
lies the conundrum. The answers, i get from different Muslims are
Non-Sequitor.
Dear Tun,
Please allow me to quote Mr dtan as below,
[tan
September 30, 2013 at 11:24 PM | Permalink
Tun,
Per Amin Tan and Sentinel3
I’ve been to a Synagogue. I’ve heard Rabbi’s preach not by
special invitation.
Why can’t a normal person visit a Mosque on a normal day, to
listen to a normal sermon. Why does it have to be a special
invitation? None of my Muslim friends have ever given me an
open invitation to a Mosque. I’ve seen advertising’s on special
invitations to non-muslims, only for special occasions. What do
they talk about during the other times. Whereas, i’ve given my
friends (Muslims, Buddhists, etc) an open invitation to come
anytime they please during regularly scheduled Church services.
It is similar with the local Synagogues in the city i live in.
I’ve read the Quran including several commentaries by Karen
Armstrong and Ali Akhbar pro-islamic writers. I’ve conversed with
a Sunni (Lebanese Engineer) in depth to compare and contrast the
Bible and Quran. Also, close conversations with a Shiite
(Design Engineer). Hung around Malay friends asked questions on
Islam in Malaysia. I don’t claim to be an Expert on Islam but i
certainly can claim i’ve been around Muslims most of my life and
know how they behave and what they believe. What is your
experience on Christianity? The reason why i like Muslim Apologist
Shabir Ali is because he understands Christianity on a personal
level i.e. has read the Bible, commentaries on both sides of the
fence and has openly debated Christian Apologists from a wide
spectrum.
I don’t make the blanket statement that Christianity is a Religion
of Peace but certainly Yeshua (Jesus) never murdered, killed or
ordered, implied, suggested the killing of non-believers in
self-defence or whatever (~ Love your Enemy. Matthew 5:44). It is
Islam that is making the blanket statement that it is a
Religion of Peace.
Shalom in Yeshua’s name
Dear Mr. dtan,
Now you sound a bit conciliatory and not so as arrogant as in the earlier
comment.
1. Invitation to a mosque. Anybody can go into a mosque as long as you
observe certain dress code and etiquette. There are tourists and visitors
almost daily visiting Masjid Negara and Masjid Putrajaya.
2. For a muslim masjid is a holy place for prayer, normally the 5 times daily
solat. When a muslim enters a masjid for prayer, he must cover his aurat and
have ablution or wuduk meaning wash himself properly. Before he sits down
it is conventional that he performs tahyatul masjid 2 rakaat. Muslims don’t sit
on a chair, unless medically need to, to pray. Everybody sits on the floor row
after row. Masjid is not a place to chit chat or talking out loud as to disturb
others’ concentration in prayer. During Friday sermon(kutbah), the imam must
follow set procedure and has to stick to verses from the Quran. Of course, some
imams stray into politically sensitive domain of Hudud. On the whole Friday
sermon is a session to urge Muslims to do good and be charitable and do not do
evils(amal maarof nahi mungkar) with the rewards and retribution in the hereafter.
3. salam, islam means peace in arabic. If there is a civil war in Syria which happens
to be a Muslim majority country, it is a distortion or manipulation of the worst kind
to say islam promote killing and murders among their own kind.
4. All these while, you have wrong impression and perception of islam and the Malays.
45 years ago, in 1969, after my HSC, I went to a state government scholarship interview
with a Malay classmate in Kota Bharu Kelantan which was under PAS government. I
was given rm500 bursary and the Malay classmate did not get anything although we
both got about similar results and admitted into University Malaya, the only university
in the country then, because his family was wealthier than mine, even though I was a
non Muslim Chinese then. Tak kenal maka tak cinta. Wallahu alam.
amin tan
There are, Closed Sessions, for Muslim Believers at the National Mosque in Kuala Lumpur
and i can certainly understand why an Imam's sermon maybe for Muslims only.
At least, until the Christian (Nasara) or Jew (Yahudi) convert has been properly
distilled into Islamic Jurisprudence .
amin tan
ReplyDeleteSeptember 30, 2013 at 3:40 PM | Permalink
Dear Tun,
May I address HBT456 and dtan,
Dear dtan,
Your criticism of muslims and islam is not moral at all. It is absolutely offensive, obnoxious, provocative and uncalled for. Whereas the surgeon who performs the honourable duty of open heart surgery with the fervent hope of curing heart disease, your wicked and amoral provocation of the muslims is evil. It sows the seed of racism and religious hatred. You would be responsible for the aftermath and racial and religious violence as a result of your persistent instigation. You bear the sin of your careless and hatred towards the Muslims. You are a sinful man towards innocent Muslims, the subject of your prejudice. I guess you never study the Holy Quran and never have malays as close friends. The Malays are the most friendly people in the world and the Holy Quran is the revelation of Allah through the Messenger of God, the Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) for the salvation of mankind in the world. Tak kenal maka tak cinta. Wallahu alam.
Dear HBT456,
I guess you do not understand racial politics in Malaysia. You go to Bandar Baru Seri Petaling, near Buit Jalil or Sri Hartamas, the two booming growth centres. There is not a single malay ownership of the 3 storey shop lot which is now selling for rm3 millions.
There is hardly any Chinese factory workers. Chinese are the factory owners. Whereas the malays work on the shop floor side by side with Banglas.
If the government economic policy is slightly in favour of the malays it should be tolerable and understandable. Let us live in peace and harmony.
amin tan
dtan's Gravatar dtan
September 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM | Permalink
Tun,
Per Amin Tan and Wajaperak
I did write something else in reply. However, i would
like to wish you Both Well.
The Lord Bless You Both. I believe that the Moral
Cost of doing nothing is Evil and as a Moral Person.
I would be willing to ‘count the cost’ and err on the side
of Morality.
There is no guarantee that someone will live through
open heart surgery but one takes it when necessary
because the cost of doing nothing is worse. If complications
develop and the person dies in the operating room. Is
it then the Surgeon’s fault ?
Shalom in Yeshua’s Name